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UK nurse suspended over prayer offer

Published: February 03, 2009

British community nurse, Caroline Petrie, has been suspended without pay and faces sacking and possibly being struck off after she offered to say a prayer for an elderly patient.

Ms Petrie, a devout Christian, has already been suspended for an alleged breach of her code of conduct on equality and diversity, the UK Daily Mail reports.

She now faces disciplinary action, even though the patient involved did not make a formal complaint.

The case has outraged the Christian community, which warns its members are becoming "the most discriminated against people in society."

They cited previous instances including that of Heathrow check-in worker Nadia Eweida, who in 2006 was banned from wearing a cross around her neck at work.

Last night Mrs Petrie, 45, insisted she was not trying to force her beliefs on others.

She said: "I have trouble understanding how offering to pray for someone could be upsetting. I feel it's a nice thing to ask and a way to give hope that circumstances can change."

She made the prayer offer to May Phippen, 79, in December, at the end of a home visit.

Mrs Phippen, a widow who lives with relatives, mentioned the offer in passing to another nurse the next day.

Ms Petrie denies forcing her faith on anyone and said she was only trying to help by politely offering to pray for a patient.

The great grandmother told the Mail: "It didn't worry me, it just struck me as a strange thing for a nurse to do. She finished dressing my legs and before she left the last thing she asked was would you like me to say a prayer for you? I said 'no thank you' and then she went.

"I have Christian beliefs myself and maybe she meant well. But it could perhaps be upsetting for some other people if they have different beliefs or thought that she meant they looked in such a bad way that they needed praying for."

The next day Ms Petrie received a message on her home phone from her coordinator telling her that disciplinary action would be taken. She was then suspended.

Yesterday she said that she tried to ask every patient if they would like her to pray for them, except if it seemed they may be of a different faith.

Mrs Petrie has been a committed Christian since the age of ten, when her mother died of breast cancer. She switched from the Church of England to the Baptist faith nine years ago.

She admits she received a previous warning about promoting her faith at work. Last October she offered to give a prayer card to an elderly male patient in Clevedon, Somerset. He accepted it but his carer raised concerns with the Primary Care Trust.

Alison Withers, Ms Petrie's boss at the time, wrote to her at the end of November saying: "As a nurse you are required to uphold the reputation of your profession.

"Your NMC (Nursing Midwifery Council) code states that 'you must demonstrate a personal and professional commitment to equality and diversity' and 'you must not use your professional status to promote causes that are not related to health'."

As a result Mrs Petrie, who qualified as a nurse in 1985 and has worked part time for the North Somerset Authority since February 2008, was ordered to attend an equality course. 

Speaking on Sunday, Ms Petrie said: "I'll keep fighting whatever happens and take them to court if I need to. I don't think I've done anything wrong.

"I was just trying to let a patient know that I was thinking of them. It's just my way of saying get well soon,"she told This is Somerset.

SOURCE

Persecuted for praying: Nurse who faces the sack after offering to pray for sick patient (Daily Mail)

West nurse suspended for offering to pray for patient (ThisisSomerset)

 

 

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  1. This is insane.

    Now, a person can't even pray for another?

    If the nurse had said, "You must accept Jesus in your life, and he'll heal you!", then, it'd be a different story.

    But, a prayer?

    What next? I won't be able to give a cup of water to a stranger, or give anyone something to eat, because I am not a "professional" nutritionist?

  2. What a sad mixed-up world we live in! We're scared of doing or saying anything for fear of upsetting people, and yet we pay inordinate attention, and capitulate, to noisy minority groups of any persuasion. I'm a Christian and if I was sick and someone of a non-Christian faith offered to pray for me I'd be delighted! This really is persecution of our faith, and a society imploding. Let's all pray earnestly for the NMC. My mother was a Nightingale nurse during WWII and active Christianity was an integral part of Nursing then. And let's all pray especially for Caroline Petrie and her patient (sorry, client!) Mrs Phippin.

  3. Have we sold ourselves to the devil that offering to pray for someone is counted as a crime! Apparently we have to be careful of our co-workers and even the recipients of our concern: "Big Brother is watching you"!

  4. Offering to say a prayer for someone is certainly not imposing one's beliefs on that person.I believe in being professional but that does not mean never mentioning one's faith or personal belief.
    It is interesting that mentioning one's political view is not classed as not being professional.

  5. How sad to hear about such cases! The best thing anyone can offer you is a prayer. I cannot understand anyone saying 'no thank you' Who are they rejecting?? The person offering the prayer or God himself? If anyone is going to think an offer of a prayer means they are looking in pretty bad shape, that person needs more prayers than they think. How little use the world has for God these days. No wonder it is in the state it is.

  6. Alison Withers, Ms Petrie's boss at the time, wrote to her at the end of November saying: "As a nurse you are required to uphold the reputation of your profession.
    Perhaps Alison Withers should take a look at how the nursing profession came into existence in the first place.

  7. Bloody hell. Not even Diocletian or Robespierre imposed this minute level of totalitarian persecution.

    How on earth was she "imposing her faith"? She didn't even REVEAL what her faith was. Baptists are not the only people who pray. Buddhists, Moslems, Hindus, Wiccans, New Agers etc etc all pray. According to the surveys, even some atheists pray!

    "it could perhaps be upsetting for some other people if they have different beliefs"
    What? Which people could possibly be "upset" by it? I have an atheist friend who sometimes asks me to pray for her. And a Moslem friend who tells me that he prays for me. I'm delighted that he does.

    "or thought that she meant they looked in such a bad way that they needed praying for."
    Who in this world (or in Purgatory) is in such a good way that they DON'T need praying for? Nobody.


  8. In my experience, offering to say a prayer with a person who is suffering, is very comforting for that person and, in my case, it has always been accepted with gratitude.
    I admire Mrs Petrie: she did not force, she just offered.

  9. First,we had the removal of THE HOLY BIBLE,so comforting when one is suffering in hospital,now they are removing nurses who offer a word of comfort and an offer to pray.What a sad world we live in! Recently,I went through a hard time and I was grateful to have a Hindu,a Moslem and other Christians praying for me because I survived the crisis.

  10. So sorry to hear about such a disgusting action from the authorities! Ms Petrie was too good to be a nurse. Be strong Caroline, teach them, LOVE is greater than anything. God will protect you. My prayers too!

  11. Praying for someone! What a terrible thing. Imagine saying a prayer for another person, and that person knowing that you care enough to pray. What a crime. What's the world coming to?

  12. I feel deelp sorry for this kind nurse,at the same time I feel deep sadness towards the formal Christendom in Great Britian and Europe. What is going on in christian Europe? The Devil somehow has played a big role in this so-called"secular world". Be aware that some religions are here in the christian Europe to take over and not to share the European Christian culture. Be aware and alert.

  13. As an atheist (with a very low opinion of all religions) in Somerset, I would be annoyed if a nurse started being 'preachy' to me. There would be no problem with patients she knew, and knew shared her beliefs, but to do so with a patient she had never met before was unprofessional. She should have just said something like, "I hope you get better soon." The UK is now a very diverse, and largly secular society, whether the regulars on this site like it not.

  14. Please, let's get some perspective and consider the facts:
    * Nurses in the UK are bound by a code of conduct which forbids them to bring their faith into their work, or proselytise. Mrs Petrie may disagree with those rules, but as a registered nurse, must abide by them
    * Mrs Petrie breached those rules by handing out prayer cards. A patient's carer complained, and Mrs Petrie was asked by her employers to desist, and was warned that further breaches would result in disciplinary action.
    * Mrs Petrie chose to ignore this warning. Another patient complained, and disciplinary action commenced
    * At no point was Mrs Petrie prevented from practising her faith and praying for patients privately, in her own time.

    For these reasons, I believe the actions of the Trust were correct and proper, and Mrs Petrie has not suffered any religious discrimination.

  15. The way forward here is to NAME the hospital managers responsible for the unjust politically correct actions and for British citizens to demand disiplinary action against the persecutors of the nurse. Examples need to be made in Britain at the higest levels of Government in order to reverse the interference of those who lack common sense.
    Ministerial non-nonsense action against ideological/intolerant people and parliamentary legislation should continually be introduced to reverse an court precedents based upon anti religious/anti prayer prejudice.

  16. Many posters here have missed the point; Caroline Petrie has not been suspended for the act of offering to pray for a patient, but for (as this article clearly says) 'an alleged breach of her code of conduct on equality and diversity' - something she has, incidentally, been previously warned about.

    The NHS is not against religion and spends around £20million annually employing chaplains of all faiths. Nurses are perfectly free to ask patients if they would like a visit from a chaplain, but the NHS is not a Christian organisation and cannot allow itself to be seen as promoting or favouring any one particular faith. It is clear that Mrs Petrie overstepped the mark in this respect, so why is she receiving so much sympathetic press coverage? I wonder if the newspapers would have been so keen to jump to her defence had she been a muslim, offering to pray to Allah?

  17. This is disgraceful. Why cannot nurses offer to pray for their patients. A good nurse does. What is wrong with being Christian? We should not be ashamed of it. The people in charge need to be dismissed. They have gone too far. let us be a Christian country and LIVE our faith. Our gift from God.

  18. As an aside, there was a secular study done of patients in a hospital, some who were prayed for and the others who were not. This secular psychological study, found that those who were prayed for recovered more frequently, and experienced a deeper sense of peace and well being. Must try an chase it up on the internet. When I find it, I'll pass on the details.

    These sorts of stories should fire us all up! We live in an age, I think, where we are being called to defend our faith. Fear of religious extremism is driving the UK to control the only religion it CAN control: Christianity. (at least it thinks it can) How ironic, because it is faith in Christ that will counter the fear and violence of extremism that they are so intimidated by.

  19. She can pray for whomever she wishes. But she needs to keep her talk about her faith out of the workplace, and out of her patient's homes - UNLESS they expressly offer/request otherwise.

    Would you be bleating so loudly had it been a Wiccan who was suspended for offering rites to aid a patient's recovery? I think NOT.

    Had I been her patient, and not sharing her beliefs, I'd have been deeply offended and distressed by this offer, but the way you Xtians rail against anyone who dissents in situations like this, I should have been very scared to say so. It is Ms Petrie's whose actions ride roughshod over the spiritual beliefs of others who do not share her beliefs. So stop screaming prejudice - she can do what she wants OFF THE JOB, but her religion has no place uninvited in MY home or that of any of her patients.

  20. It appears Miss Withers has broken the Nursing Midwifery Council Code by using her professional status to promote her campaign of Christophobia and atheism. Causes which are not related to health, or if anything, are damaging to health. She should be suspended without pay, sacked and struck off. Or at least demoted to junior assistant bedpan-emptier until she learns the basic principles of the nursing profession. Principles directly inherited and copied from the principles of religious orders of nuns who invented the profession of nursing.

  21. The World Health Organisation classify health not just as the absence of disease but as a person's entire mental, spiritual and physical well being.
    If only there were more nurses like Caroline Petrie who cared for the whole person with compassion and love.
    Thankyou for your stand Caroline and be assured I am praying that God will enable you to be strong to the end. May God bless you x

  22. David Scrivener, as a Catholic I also would be annoyed if a nurse started being 'preachy' to me. Mrs Petrie did nothing of the kind as you falsely assert. Much less “proselytise” as Mrs Webb outrageously accuses her of. Nor was she “promoting or favouring any one particular faith” as Alun falsely asserts. Nor “ride roughshod over the spiritual beliefs of others who do not share her beliefs” as Tracey even more absurdly claims. Nor was she even “offering rites”. Wow, the outrageous Christophobic accusations are flying thick and fast here.

    Please try to get back in touch with reality: as I said, Mrs Petrie didn't even REVEAL what her faith was. She didn’t even pray with, over, by or even in the hearing of the patient. In fact she didn’t pray for the patient at all. She asked the patient “would you like me to say a prayer for you” the patient said “no thank you” and she totally accepted this, and said or did nothing else in that respect. And gave a prayer card to another man who wanted it. That’s it! That’s the full extent of her heinous crimes!

    Mrs W (I hope for his sake you are not related to Michael!), please reference this rule which supposedly “forbids them to bring their faith into their work” as you assert. That would be impossible for anyone to do, including if his faith was atheism. I have worked for various government and private employers and I assure you I have brought my faith into my work every day.

    What next? Police raids on the homes of suspected religious believers to try to catch them praying? Intensive interrogations to find out if they’ve been “illegally” praying for anyone they work with or for, or whom they haven’t been officially authorised to pray for?

  23. Under her Code of Conduct which promotes equality, how can an OFFER of a prayer be construed as PROPAGATION of one faith over another? She didn't even specify to which religion she belonged. How did she use her professional position to promote causes that are NOT related to health if she offered a prayer FOR her health and betterment? How did she USE her professional position? Did she say: by virtue of the fact that I'm a nurse and so here to help you, I think offering a prayer for you is help and therefore I make you this offer?
    I can't see any proof of:
    1- promotion of a faith (vs. offer)
    2- use or misuse of profession
    (she didn't do it because she was a nurse)
    3- against equality or diversity
    (vs. non-specification of religion)

  24. Will a nurse now be struck off if a patient sneezes and she naturally replies "God bless you"?

  25. The article may clearly state: 'an alleged breach of her code of conduct on equality and diversity' and as Alun said:"something she has, incidentally, been previously warned about."

    I respond that people of common sense are NOT missing the point. The false use and new meanings given to words like 'equality' and 'diversity' are actually there to be broken and to be broken daily to free all normal and majority thinking people from the whole political correctness mentality that even affects workplaces. It is not a sacred cow and needs to be challenged as a false belief and imposing religion( of a kind) of its own.
    Christian belief and even natural justice and common courtesy from a nurse to a patient is at issue here. The Hospital management need to be challenged to leave it up to patients to say 'no' if they do not want to pray or to be prayed for. The law should be introduced to totally restrain political correctness masking itself under the baloney 'diversity' ideology. All people should turn the tide on this terrible ideology of hatred towards kind nurses offering to pray with or for their patients.

  26. (Mrs Webb) "Another patient complained"
    This also is a blatant lie, like the rest of your "facts". According to the article, apparently NO patient has ever complained about Mrs Petrie, who apparently has an exemplary record as a professional, dedicated and caring nurse. . Another nurse and a carer complained about her after the patients happened to mention in passing her "offence", to which the patients took no offence at all.

    I suppose if a Christian nurse never offered to pray for anyone, as this fiendish directive requires, she would then be accused of ignoring the plight of her fellow man and being too inward-looking, exclusivist and "head in the clouds".

  27. "commitment to equality and diversity"?
    I'll believe that when I see a Moslem nurse suspended for offering to pray for a Moslem patient (which I'm sure they do and there are plenty of both in England). They wouldn't dare.
    It's telling that on the same day, English police ran away, being chased, attacked and jeered at by a mob of violent Islamist demonstrators, rather than make any attempt to control them.

    "commitment to equality and diversity" sounds fine, but it is interpreted to mean "do everything possible to stamp out every trace of Christianity and aggressively promote atheism, but don't dream of doing anything to restrict atheism or non-Christian religions in any way, even when they are causing massive damage".

  28. And apart from anything else, what sort of organisation informs an employee that action has been to suspend her by leaving a message on her home phone answering machine? Surely that is not the proper process?

  29. Note also that Nadia Eweida, the British Airways employee who was suspended without pay for wearing a tiny cross around her neck, has lost her appeal in the Discrimination Tribunal.
    (BA had earlier offered her an out-of-court settlement which she had declined, confident this blatant discrimination would not be allowed to stand.)
    The Tribunal found “there was no discrimination. Eweida had not been treated less favourably than BA would have treated any other person with a faith, or no faith … there was no evidence that BA's treatment of Eweida was on the grounds of her religion … this did not put Christians at a particular disadvantage compared with other persons”.
    Flying in the face of the evidence presented that BA allows non-Christian employees to openly wear and display “religious” items, including full moslem hijabs!

    Take this together with “Catholic suspended over Jesus image”
    http://cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=5673

    And “British school bans Catholic girl from wearing tiny cross”
    http://cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=4048

    not to mention the British govt forcing Catholic adoption agencies to give babies to homosexual same-sex so-called “couples”, and you have to ask, what sort of anti-Catholic nightmare Britain has been bequeathed by Tony “Catholic” Blair?

  30. Let me discover something for people who are afraid of prayer, this is text from catholic catechism book:

    WHAT IS PRAYER?

    For me, prayer is a surge of the heart;
    it is a simple look turned toward heaven,
    it is a cry of recognition and of love,
    embracing both trial and joy.

  31. It is better to trust in God than to trust in man. What I don't understand though is Ms. Petrie never offered Mrs Phippen to pray to Jesus. This incident then should offend all believers be they Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Christians or even red Indians because we all pray.

    Mrs Phippen says she has Christian beliefs and yet it struck her as strange for a nurse to offer to pray for someone. I wonder what Christian beliefs she has if she finds praying for someone strange, irrespective of whether you are a nurse or an economist.

    Alison Withers, I humbly call on you to withdraw your letter and apologize to Ms. Petrie for causing her distress. This stringent action is uncalled for and is unacceptable in today's modern society where we look forward and work towards to a peaceful society.

  32. And still it rolls on.
    The Middlesex County cricket team is to ditch their nickname of "Crusaders" and replace it with "Panthers".
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/4434777/Middlesex-Crusaders-cricket-team-changes-name-after-complaints-from-Muslims-and-Jews.html

    Supposedly because of ""one or two" complaints from Muslim and Jewish communities" [Was it one or was it two? In either case the use of 3 plurals in the headline is false] "concerned that the name was a reference to the medieval Christian crusades against other faiths." [sic - displaying gross ignorance of history as well as sickening political correctness and hysterical Christophobia.]

    They don't explain why they chose this wildly inappropriate name. I doubt if there are a lot of panthers prowling around the Home Counties of England. At least Middlesex has many historical links to the Crusades. And a panther is merely a black-furred subspecies or race of the leopard (the other members of this species have spotted fur). So isn't "Panthers" "racist" and hence also politically incorrect?

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